Archive for October 19th, 2011

Town Listers Committed to Helping Residents

Photo By Dianne Langona

Woodstock Early Bird has just come from a meeting with Town of Woodstock Listers Paul Wildasin, Carol Wood  and Charlie Degener concerning their work, specifically having to do with  the post-flood property tax abatement process. 

This follows on the heels of a post WEB made asking asking them  for their greater consideration and gentleness with the public  after an Early Bird reported leaving their office in tears.  It’s been an emotional time.  Listers say people  have even come to  the office in tears which is a difficult starting point for any process. 

In the specific case about which we wrote, they, too, felt helpless. They shook their heads after the meeting feeling that  they had not been able to assist in the way they intended to.  Their intention was not to lecture or to appear condescending to the particular subject. However,  there is a good bit of education that needs to take place for each individual property owner to understand what exactly leads to their current tax bill and how Property Tax Abatement might or might not affect that bill.

The message is — we knew this anyway —  they are NOT OGRES and do care very much about what they do and their commitment — by oath — to serve everyone while also  preserving the integrity of the Grand List — that list being the basis for the taxes that pay for the operations of our municipality.

Here’s the deal if you go in: Listers  need concrete information and that means of process of discovery and lots of questioning. It’s not the Inquisition but it may feel that way First off, they need to know names and locations of the property. They can then pull a file to review how the property has already been assessed. For example, in the case of  Maple Street homes,  those property owners have  already been  given a  25% credit or reduction in assessment due to the property being in a flood plain, owing to the fact that the Kedron Brook can  overflow every spring.  Well, who knew that? Now we know. (Update: WEB is double-checking this again with Listers. An Early Bird pointed out that it could not possibly be a 25% reduction in TAXES but we believe a 25% reduction in ASSESSMENT )

Wildasin also set up a hypothetical situation to show that even if the Village of Woodstock were to give a property tax abatement credit to those who lost use of their basements in the Maple Street area, for example    — or needed to have them repaired —  in the end that tax “break” would  work out to  be a few hundred dollars. The abatement would just be for a portion of lost basement, not on the whole property  and certainly wouldn’t be enough to pay to fix the basement. Hypothetically speaking,  because statute is not concerned with damage, spells it out as  lost property  or destruction to property. Frustrating if you’re looking for money. No doubt about it.

As you can see, very few folks will make it to the threshold (at least 50% loss of home)  which is not to say the Listers are not there to try to figure it out.  As caring community members, they would  like to be the post-Flood philanthropists and just give away $20,000 to repair basements, but that’s not what property tax abatement is about.  They say, frankly, they too, are figuring it all out,   having gotten  no guidance from the State of Vermont for this exceptional Tropical Storm Irene flood situation.  

Now, this leads us to another deadline looming and a question related to it. Property taxes are due on November 4th. So Woodstock Early Bird wondered if people who postpone paying their taxes due to flood-related financial hardship while they fix up things or go through the BTA process would be responsible for penalties. The answer is: ” Yes, you have to pay your taxes by the due date!”  That said, property assessments are made from an April 1st “snapshot” every year. If it turns out in April 2012 the “snapshot” of your property is considerably different than it was in April 2011, you are likely to see a future “break”.

However, right now, even if you are applying for and going through the Property Tax Abatement process, there is nothing in statute, according to Wildasin, to relieve you of the duty to pay. If you don’t get your tax bill in, you will be responsible for additional penalties (1.5% month)   no matter what the outcome of the process.

Now, to wrap this up and back to the original point of the post, Woodstock Early Bird would like to state, having learned more,  that we need to have some feeling for the Listers, too. Yes, let’s all hug and remember they are people  who are dedicated to doing their not-so-well-paid jobs right — in a fair and equitable manner — as they work through the Property Tax Abatement process. 

 They opine about the post-Flood situation, “We are as out of our element as anyone who walks in the door.” 

Good luck Everyone! And,thanks Listers for your hospitality!